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Install0us — The end Yes, you read well, this is the end

#1 User is offline   puy0 Icon

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:45 PM

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Yes, you read well, this is the end. The end of Install0us.
Most of you would not appreciate what follows, just as we definitely do not, yet some of you will be strangely happy...

Why is this happening?
Legalities. When I started up solo, it was for legal reasons, and that still stands: I was fed up of hiding behind other people and wanted the freedom to develop apps without being in the shadows of the law.
For Install0us to offer the same services as other installer apps : browse / download / install, without providing any links to cracked materials, I thought we had something legal and legitimate to offer.
Some really nice people proposed me their help, and from a small blog we evolved to these forums, which just kept growing and maturing, thanks to a wonderful team. That was not appreciated by everybody...but anyway, that is another topic.
During all this time I have been actively searching for a lawyer to know how legal we were. Not the lawyer you can find just anywhere, but one that understands Internet legislations and specializes in copyright laws. Trust me, these people are rare, very in demand, and very expensive.
As such I have been looking for three months, and I finally found one recently. Unfortunately our discussion left me sad and even feeling stupid to have invested so much effort into this, and involved people with me... You see, after talking for more than an hour with him, I'm sorry but the conclusion is that what we do would be very hard to defend against in court.
I am at the moment already at risk, and would risk even more with the exposure that an Install0us v3 release will definitely bring me. Call me a coward, but as I said, hiding under covers is not a life for me. Moreover, these days in my country piracy is a hot subject among politicians... I do not want to be flamed in a trial for something that I do as a hobby, and I do not want to involve any people with me in this. I am sincerely sorry to the people who followed me thinking we were legit, my honest mistake.

What's going to happen?
These forums will close, and repositories too. Just a few more weeks, and everything will be shut down and deleted.
Install0us v2.5 has already been unleashed to you, and it will continue to run. We cannot do anything about it, so be happy!
The bad news is, however, Install0us 3 will not and cannot ever be released. It all must end here. This is extremely disappointing for all of us, considering the time and energy we have spent on it.
Soon after, the server behind Install0us 3 will also be shut down. Done. We are very sorry, beta testers.

On a brighter note, we have introduced some concepts in v3 with native interfaces that have revolutionised what people will be expecting, and I am sure you will see these conceptualisations sooner or later in similar apps, although of course not done by us. In short, we feel we have made a positive contribution to the community we now leave.
To make things clear, we have never shared our source code, and we can never do so, simply for legality's sake. I know from experience that no one is irreplaceable.
But if there were to be one concept I would really like to see one day out of all this, it is the plugin system. An open application not dedicated to any one website.

About Donations
We raised donations and understandably we now have no use for them. Many of you have noticed that recently we have been refunding most of them. In fact we are refunding all refundable donations.
Only very few will not be refunded, mostly because of Paypal rules which restricts refunds to the last 60 days of transaction, or eChecks that just cannot be refunded. (Please be patient if you haven't been refunded yet, Paypal is incredibly slow, blame their staff not ours!)
Once again, thank you very much for your willing support, but our expenses has been covered and since our activities are ending, we just want to be fair with you and refund as much as we can. We are not salesmen, we did all of this for fun, nothing more.

Thanks (a lot)
I have always wanted to do a credits/thanks screen in Installous since the first version. But apologetically, I am a lazy developer who always preferred to code features over making a thanks screen.
I cannot stop all of this without repairing that fault. First of all, many thanks go to all of you for making this journey what it has been, without the users and your continued support and encouragement none of this could have ever been reality.
A group of people that I'd like to take the time to individually thank for their support throughout my time are :
  • CCW, for being a friend and all that time spent on the appDB adding missing apps by hand :).
  • cdecl, for being in #ipa on that first day, for his skills and leaking Crackulous source code (lol).
  • crash-x, for the nice chats, sharing knowledge with you have been a real pleasure, you are so right to be on the bright side :).
  • csmithdesigns.com for the awesome v3 graphics.
  • Doosje, for being a friend since almost the beginning, and then to have joined Install0us and bringing along that amazing database :).
  • fareal, for pressuring me to create these forums (would still be a blog without him lol), and helping so much to create these forums and make them alive (I'm not really a forum administration guy ;)).
  • Flawless, for creating AppShare a long long time ago that we all have such fond memories of.
  • Hackulo.us community, I remember a time when it wasn't all about money and power... but a community.
  • hostjf, from iphonecake, for all your time and help. You are right to be far away from that "scene"...
  • lsemtex, that was a real fun day 0 to see that agitation to reproduce The Monkey's Ball crack :).
  • Kyek, for teaching me a bit of php, for everything you have done. Words cannot express what you've done for us and the community. You will never be forgotten.
  • Monster (aka furballinatOor), for his nice contribution to the forums.
  • RealZg/Poxy, for being nice even when the whole world was standing against him (even if he was responsible for some leaks I disapprove of).
  • Sadam, from xSellize, for his advices and participation ;) A true man in every way.
  • Secretss, for being the heart and soul of this community in recent times. Yay!
  • lamefuliphone, Thanks for helping secure our app. I know we had plenty of disagreements there, but it was truly fun playing with you.
  • skram, for his friendly attitude and being a great AppStore dev sharing his knowledge freely ;).
  • WYSE, your dedication is something to be admired, I will always have a place in my heart for you.
  • You, for reading this.
  • Sorry if I forget you...there's always going to be someone :(

Just a couple of extra little bits
  • Questions > If you have any questions please pop by our IRC channel #Install0us on the server Rizon. We will be hanging around a little longer in case there is anything more you would like to ask or know.
  • Forums > If there are any posts you would specifically like a copy of after we close, please just ask as we would be glad to provide them. If you are looking for somewhere nice to go, why not try xSellize.com?
  • Hackulo.us *Has been* a nice community. The core staff has gone nuts at money making. Today they just consider members and even their moderators as puppets. I am really happy to have left them, what happened after Install0us was created is just proof of it.
  • TDDebug / dissident > I have always been polite with you, but what a waste. Continue to bring down hackulo.us, people will eventually understand who you really are, a salesman/bullshitter. One sincere advice, you really need a psychotherapist. (Our good friend venusanann was right).


Adieu.

Edit: And a little more elaboration...

Update [27/1/10]: App info server shut down. Beta copies for version 3 no longer work.
Update [28/1/10]: Beta repository gone. Beta versions no longer work (Doosje server gone).
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#2 User is offline   fareal Icon

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 06:48 PM

Thank you to everyone, it's been an incredible experience that I don't think could ever be replicated.
Hold your head high, touch the sky and take your shot 'cause this could be the year, this could be the moment you've been waiting your whole life for.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:16 PM

I feel very sad about it, i really like the app, crew, and the ppl in IRC.
I don't think i'll find such a place anywhere else .. maybe it's time to close another chapter in my life regarding iphone.

As long on the forum is up i'm here, and also be on IRC (just highlight me, or PM/DM me if you have any questions)

Thanks all!
maybe we will meet somewhere else in the future.
Interested in βeta testing? We're keeping the same approach we gave to 2.5 βeta, a private one open to donators only
Once you have donated, you receive a pm with instructions. You will be cleared for access in matter of minutes.

Having trouble finding your udid
Why no download links in Install0us 3.0?
Feel free to contact/talk to use on this webchat ( or use a proper client and point it to irc.rizon.com #install0us)

ps: We DON'T DO ETA's
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:17 PM

I had a great time here <3

Ask for my email or find me on IRC if you ever wanna keep in touch :)
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:29 PM

i can say in addition to being apart of this journey i have learnd from the people of Install0us Great things and made such !!!Great!!! friends ..

Just remember this was a test from thee above to show the people out there what your true skills can and did and could hold within you as a dev as a scripter and more.. and we showed then nothing is not possible only improbable!!

<3Puy0 <3Doosje <3<3Secretss <3Raf <3CCW <3Monster <3and the rest of you :'( plz stay in Touch you know where i am just drop a line :)
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:30 PM

That's so sad :cry:
i feel like selling my iphone now.
The app turned out to be amazing.
I hope I'll see more apps from you.

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#7 User is offline   Ian Icon

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:38 PM

sorry to hear, just curious how can the server behind 3.0 be shutdown but not 2.5....what part of 3.0 will be lost for those who were beta testers?
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:40 PM

View PostIan, on 25 January 2010 - 07:38 PM, said:

sorry to hear, just curious how can the server behind 3.0 be shutdown but not 2.5....what part of 3.0 will be lost for those who were beta testers?


because 2.5 doesnt use doosjes database, and 3 has restricted access.

Most likely there will be no access to beta 3 for anyone
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:41 PM

I must say I'm quite saddened, but It was a great experiance being here, and thank you Puy0 for the wonderful app.
Let bygones be bygones OR ELSE!!

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:44 PM

NOOOOO :( :( :(

edit: so no update notifications?

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:50 PM

No! So sad.... I just started developing plugins for Install0us 3 and now that...
Why do you want to shutdown the servers? Because of the costs?
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:51 PM

When one door closes, another opens.

I had tons of fun here, chatting, helping, scaring the noobs. It was a heck of a roller coaster ride, from October 28 when I joined, to Nov 21 when I was promoted, to this moment, I enjoyed every bit, yes even those bits.

I made lots of cool new friends, we had an awesome journey together I will never forget.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:52 PM

View Postfelixkk, on 25 January 2010 - 07:50 PM, said:

No! So sad.... I just started developing plugins for Install0us 3 and now that...
Why do you want to shutdown the servers? Because of the costs?

No, everything is because of legal issues. Leaving a server up would mean we haven't stopped activities.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:52 PM

*gasp*
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 07:58 PM

Adieu my friends, you shall be missed! Thanks for everything!
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:02 PM

Thank you puy0 and team for all you have brought to the scene. Install0us 2.5 truly is a great app.

It's a shame about the legal side of things - I hope you find another hobby, puy0 :). Have a nice life.


Thanks again.

PS: I predict that you will get a lot of whiners in this thread. I suggest you ignore them.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:05 PM

Shocked. Thank you.

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:05 PM

Thank you puyo for your efforts on this project.

Also, it's not very clear and I just want to know if I'll be refunded if I sent a donation on October 27th.

This post has been edited by Looler: 25 January 2010 - 08:07 PM

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:08 PM

This is very sad news :cry:

Any chance of putting your skills to non warez related things?

Installous 3.0 really is/was a work of art and if redone in a new light could become the next cydia?

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:11 PM

no this app was what kept me from sucide dont bring it down :cry: !!!!


also you dont want to hand off your baby to some one else?

even if its not hackulous (dissident apologized recently) is their any one else you trust?

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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:11 PM

I just started to post activily on Install0us and now that ._. We'll miss you puy0, you are a great dev =D! Good luck with your future ^-^.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:15 PM

Best of luck. I moved on to the Android platform with the release of the Nexus One, I hope to eventually see everyone over there. I think most of the reasons so many of us chose to go this route are not an issue on the Android platform. I'm sure people argue you this but I feel like the iPhone is like a VTech toy and the Android platform is like a real computer in comparison. Again, just my opinion but I do hope I see a lot of you in the Android scene.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:17 PM

View PostSmarag, on 25 January 2010 - 09:11 PM, said:

I just started to post activily on Install0us and now that ._. We'll miss you puy0, you are a great dev =D! Good luck with your future ^-^.

Same for me! + made new connections here... This is so sad! Damn :(
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:24 PM

Yeah relay big thanks.
And as stated before. You deserved every cent of the donations.
Your work was realy great...comming up with those ideas and how you set the ideas into doable things :)

Just a realy great thanks for everything you did.
Great JOB!!!
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 08:33 PM

Its a sad day to say the least...but tomorrow brings new surprises :)
Opinions are like assholes..we all have them and they stink!!!
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